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I'm looking for someone with information on Frederick GROSJEAN who seems to have been a harp maker in Soho Sq London. Probably dating late 1800' or begininng 1900's. I know of a harp carrying an undated brass inscription of this name and address on it and would like to now of the origines
Many thanks for help
Rosemary
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j'ai trouve ca
Births Mar 1838
Grosjean Frederick St James Westr 1 87
Births Jun 1843
Grosjean John Joseph Beaumont St Marylebone 1 236 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Dec 1843
GROSJEAN Ann Marylebone 1 233 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Sep 1844
GROSJEAN Abraham Frederic Marylebone 1 197 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1844
GROSJEAN Maria Louisa Marylebone 1 239 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Dec 1845
GROSJEAN Frederick Strand 1 268 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1846
Grosjean Louis Phillippe Kensington 3 342 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1847
Grosjean Rosalie St James 1 106 Scan available - click to view
Births Sep 1847
Grosjean William Henri Hendon 3 202 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1848
GROSJEAN Alice Maude St. James 1 110 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1850
Grosjean Frederic Pierre Jeann_ct St James 1 112 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Sep 1850
GROSJEAN Pierre Frederic Jeanneret St James Westminster 1 86 Scan available - click to view
Marriages Mar 1867
Grosjean Harriett Elizabeth Kensington 1a 91
Grosjean Harriette Elizabeth Kensington 1a 91
Marriages Sep 1867
Grosjean Marie Louise Kensington 1a 116 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Dec 1869
Grosjean Henrie Aimé 56 Kensington 1a 14 Scan available - click to view
Marriages Dec 1869
GROSJEAN Helene W. London 1c 63 Scan available - click to view
Marriages Jun 1870
GROSJEAN Emily Pancras 1b 149 Scan available - click to view
Marriages Sep 1870
Grosjean John Joseph B j Pancras 1b 136 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1873
GROSJEAN Arthur Willoughby J Pancras 1b 57
Births Sep 1874
Grosjean Isa Nora Pancras 1b 75 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1876
GROSJEAN John Cecil F Pancras 1b 77 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1878
Grosjean Joseph * K Pancras 1b 68 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Jun 1878
GROSJEAN Elizabeth 67 Kensington 1a 92 Scan available - click to view
GROSJEAN Joseph Beaumont K 5 Pancras 1b 48 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Sep 1878
GROSJEAN John William 29 Guildford 2a 33 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1880
GROSJEAN Violet Caroline Pancras 1b 66 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Jun 1882
Grosjean John Joseph B J 38 Pancras 1b 50 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Dec 1882
GROSJEAN Rosalie 35 Kensington 1a 83 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Jun 1884
GROSJEAN Una Augusta J 44 Pancras 1b 52 Scan available - click to view
Deaths Jun 1898
Grosjean John 78 Hackney 1b 249 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1904
Grosjean Elsie Islington 1b * Scan available - click to view
Marriages Sep 1910
Grosjean Marth[e_] _ Westminster 1a 1277 Scan available - click to view
Grosjean Paul H Pancras 1b [8_]0 Scan available - click to view
bonne chance
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Françoise, merci beaucoup
je vais piocher dans la liste pour voir s'il y en a un qui correspond........
si je peux chercher quelque chose pour vous dans la région Hérault, Gard, Aveyron...... c'est avec plaisir
Rosemary
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merci mais je recherche dans le cantal et l'indre pour l'instant
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i found something
Itr would help to have more info on the type of harp but I think the
inscription has been mistranscribed.
F Grosjean was a harp maker in Soho square active between about 1810 and
1835. For the latter part he woked in conjunction with Schweiso and to a
certain extent with Groll (who patented a double action fourchette
mechanism the year *before* Erard!)
I would suggest that 1946 is actually the serial no rather than a date...I
don't know of any maker who dated the harp on the mechanism plate.
If the harp is of the Grecian variety (43 or 44 strings with a half circle
of winged maidens around the capital) this would certainly fit.
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i found this on the internet
I will be moving to Lithuania in a week, expecting to stay for about a year.
When my landlords there found out that I was a harpist, they asked me to
look for information about restoring an old harp that is very important to
Lithuanians. What follows is a description that was sent to me a few days
ago. I would appreciate receiving information or hints as to how to go about
looking for help in this area.
The Lithuanian writer, philosopher, stimulator of national spirit, Vydunas
(true name Vilhemas Storosta) was born in 1868 in Lithuania and died in 1953
in Detmold Germany. He had a great interest in Eastern philosophy and wrote
many articles and books on healthy living and thinking. His most fvored
theme was the superior spiritual aspiration. Vydunas wrote music, conducted
a chorus and with the help of music and his deep philosophical perception
did his best to awaken national self awareness in the Lithuanian people. He
resided in the city of Tilze (Karaliaucius-in Lithuania and later called
Konigsberg and now Kaliningrad). In 1925 he bought the harp, which was a
second hand one. In 1944, together with retreating Germans, he left
Lithuania for Germany, leaving his harp in Tilze. Russians who occupied the
territory offered empty houses to their people who were invited to come and
stay there. A former officer stayed in Vydunas' house. After some time, he
left Kaliningrad for Tallin and took the harp with him. But neither he nor
his children knew how to play it and the harp was kept in a closet of their
house. Once, the house was on fire and, by a miracle, the fire stopped at
the very place where the harp was kept. Lithuanian ethnographers traced the
harp and took it back from the officer (for several bottles of vodka). In
1988, the harp was taken to Lithuania and placed in the Vydunas museum in
the townlet of Kintai where it is at the present time. It is in poor shape
but the value of the harp for Lithuania is the same as a Stradivarius. The
inscriptions on the harp are:
FREDERICK GROSIEN SABO SQUARE LONDON 1946.
My landlord apparently gives tours of this museum. I cannot understand the
inscriptions, unless some attempt at fixing it was made in the 1940's.
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Robsons London Directory 1822 Schwieso and Grosjean 11, Soho Square Pigots 1823-4 Schwieso , Grosjean and Co, ( inventor and manufacturer of the cambrian double and single action pedal harp with 2 rows of streings and double sounding board also of improved double and single action harps )11 Soho Square London Street Directory 1842 Grosjean, Frederick. 11, Soho square. Post Office London trades Directory for 1851 Frederick Grosjean 11 Soho Sq Grosjean harp Grove Dictionary states that: "Elias Parish Alvars,the harpist and composer studied with Francois Dizi and worked with Theodore Labarre in London. For some time in the 1820s he was employed by the harp manufacturers Schwieso and Grosjean at their Soho Square premises."
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Dear Françoise
I just called my cousin who owns this harp and she says there are 44 strings
There are no angels or winged maidens on it, the "highest part" of it is a crown (this is the bit that goes over the shoulder I believe - I know absolutely NOTHING about harps or music either) and this is roughly where the engraving is.
Next time I go to Millau I can ask if I can take a photo and send it to you if this helps ?
I can just explain how she has this instrument :
Her father (born 1881 Montpellier, France) made pianos (Pianos Calazel) and she inherited this from him, although she does not know where it came from in the beginning. She only knows he never wanted her or her brothers/sisters to touch it alothough all were piano players (theachers)
I will now try to see clear in the MASSIVE amount of information you have been kind enough to send me.....
When you leave for Lithuania will you be able to keep in contact ? so I can send the photo ?
rosemary.calazel@wanadoo.fr is my email if this is of any help..... I'm afraid I'm new to these forums and don't really quite understand how it works (I hope you get my answer !!)
I will try to et back to you when I have understood all the texte.
I now need to know WHERE this Grosjean originated from and whether he was from Montpellier for example....
Many many thanks
Rosemary
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